Posts by Moses Joe

I remember this issue because it was one of the many nails in the coffin for my trust in them. In this magazine they claim that there was no faithful and Discreet slave around after Christs death and that the Governing Body of JW is that slave, alone, just that group. They effectively raise themselves above the Apostles of Christ.

It's so self serving and presumptuous. If I remember correctly they even go so far as to say that they were appointed over the domestics as it says in Matthew. But what it says in Matthew is that THE MASTER WILL APPOINT THEM. I'm sorry, but if that had happened, they'd have much better credentials than just their own word. Much needed credentials in fact, when all the not-so-well hidden facts say that they are neither faithful, nor discreet.

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The New World Translation

by Coded Logic in

one of the jws foundational doctrines is their belief in the inerrancy of the bible.

there are several methods they use to try and support this position including their claim that the bible, as it exists today, is the exact same bible that has been around for thousands of years.

they teach that gods word has been perfectly preserved.

Moses Joe

I've always believed in God and I always will, but I've also always thought that the trustworthyness of the bible is questionable. If Christendom is wrong, then why trust the bible they put together? If the devil can have gods name erased and lost, then why cant the entire bible be affected?

So many things lend to it being largely faulted, yet it still exists and has not been completely destroyed. That much to me seems of interest, and at least part if not most of it must still be original.

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Lying about Shunning! jw.org conceals the "truth"

by Skinnedsheep in

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http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/ .

"those who were baptized as jehovahs witnesses but no longer preach to others, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned.

in fact, we reach out to them and try to rekindle their spiritual interest.".

Moses Joe

Technical the quote in the OP isn't a lie. It says that they don't shun people who quit going out in the field ministry (true) and that they don't shun people who drift away (also true). It says nothing like, "people who are disfellowshipped are not shunned."

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Trailer for the "Awake to Reality" movie "coming out soon"

by cha ching in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnhq2vge7ym.

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very professionaly done!.

Moses Joe

Where is this going to play? Will it actually get publicity?

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JW GB MEMBER CAUGHT ON CAMERA!!!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

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gb member and so called "annointed" person geoffry jackson is caught red handed on video doing some worldly dancing and sexual gyrating (they have spoken against such manner of dancing on several occasions) with a woman who is not his wife!!!

i can only imagine what they do off camera now!!!.

i would not have even considerd doing such a thing on the dance floor with a woman, especially if it was not my wife, and i'm not even one of the so called "annointed" smh!!!

Moses Joe

They sure seem to frown on that sort of behavior in the journals. Any "Shocking" behavior is heavily fround upon and i would think a gb member suddenly getting up to dance with a woman who isn't his wife is pretty shocking.

but then again they can, accurately i might add, always turn to the example of Peter shying away from gentiles and say even they get caught up in the moment.

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Do You Think The Islamic State Will Launch An Attack On US Soil In The Near Future?

by minimus in

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i think so.

they rejoice over celebrating the 9/11 attacks..

Moses Joe

No, and I do not think they'll ever have the opportunity to do so. If they could they would have already, but before they ever get to the point where they have the necessesary means to reach the United States they will likely all be wiped out BY the US and Britain. Even if they ever managed to get anything here, it'd only be my raking together all the funds they can for a one shot attack that would likely kill many, but would just be the equivelant of punching the biggest guy at the bar - it'll hurt him, but now you've got his attention.

I'd be far mor concerned about Britain, the chances are that the means they plan to reach the west is through the people they already have who are British Nationals.

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ISIS Kills American Soldier, Will Watchtower Speak Out Finally?

by BucketShopBill in

http://www.tristatehomepage.com/story/d/story/isis-terror-group-kills-2nd-american-journalist/12500/0kjo7mxf0kalqvmlyykl-g.

Moses Joe

They will not say anything that could be construed as breaking nuetrality. It doesn't matter how terrible things get in this world, they will never break their nuetrality. The most you might see is a picture on the front of a watchtower with actors depicting the parties of the guy about to be beheaded and the guy doing it with a super imposed title like, "WILL IT EVER END" that includes a nameless restatement of events that you know are the beheaded journalists but they never actually say that's what their talking about.

They are all about plausible deniability. "We never said to cover up the molesters, that was the instructor telling them to write a note in the book not us." "We never SAID the end would come in 1975, if you believed that it's on you." "We never SAID we were writing about ISIS, what's an ISIS?"

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Jehovah deceives us

by opusdei1972 in

paul said that god does not lie:.

in the hope of eternal life, which god, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time (titus 1:2).

however, jehovah god deceived his people:.

Moses Joe

Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him. (1 Samuel 16:14)

Clearly, it was a literal evil spirit.

Again here, that is not necessarily the case. There is a reason why there are so many religions coming form this book who all say different things and that reason is because everybody tries to interpret all these scriptures you've used here different ways and insist the others are wrong.

The word translated as, "spirit" in the Bible does not always mean literally an angel. It also means breath, wind, and mental disposition. Bible scholars look for consistency and frequency when they look at the Bible, especially with scriptures like this one. So looking at this what we have is a scripture stating that God sent an evil spirit to torment somebody. Yet elsewhere in the bible we find, "With evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone." Now set aside any preconcieved notions from ANYONE ELSE'S interpretation of this scripture and just use the Bible by itself.

This spirit cannot be literal because God has no dealings with evil people or disobedient people. This is proven by the very context of the verse at hand, what had happened was Saul disobeyed, as he often did. Samuel had just told him, "To obey is better than a sacrifice" because Saul just didn't get it. He thought too much of himself to the point where he did what he wanted isntead of what he was told to do. This is precicely what causes literal evil spirits, as in the case of the demons who decided to forsake their proper place in heaven to take human wives for themselves in Noahs day. God would never use a literal evil spirit to accomplish anything, he has no use for such ones and has demonstrated this all through the bible from beginning to end in every single other occasion. Thus this one example cannot be a literal creature, it would not be consistent with the rest of the Bible.

What makes far more sense in this instance, and is consistent with the bible, is for this spirit to be a mental disposition instead of a creature. Further I would submit that it wasn't actually SENT by god but rather ALLOWED by him. As an example you could think of Pharoah of Egypt in the bible. God is spoken of as, "Making his heart hard" or some verbiage as that. But that cannot be literal for the same reason this instance with samuel cannot be, rather God fooled them much the same as the prophet in your original post, by allowing their own minds to do the work for him. He need not literally make Pharaoh's heart hard, his pride would do it for him as he was made the fool of by the plagues. The same is true of Samuel and his egotism, he had done wrong and he knew it sure as he knew it was wrong before he ever did it. This made his conscience torment him, caused him to be afraid God would punish him somehow. Another person you could think of is Job, Job saw his problems as coming form God when in fact they did not - he merely allowed them. Much the same it's very likely Samuel believed that Sauls mental anguish was from God so he wrote it that way when in fact it wasn't, or it's possible that it's a translation error being that the bible is so old. But regardless you can rest assured that God has no dealings with evil beings, thus he did not send an evil creature to do anything at any time ever, nor will he ever do so.

Having said that, as someone else here said you can pick apart the bible and find things to contend with. But the fact is it very much is consistent when taken all together. It is easy to become angry with God for allowing what is happening to happen, and when you want to be angry it's easy to find reasons to be angry like these. I have spent many years angry with God myself. But the fact is that everything we need is in that book. We are directed by it not to argue over it's meaning but to follow it's direction, as paul said not to be involved with, "debates of words." The fact is we have an idea of what to expect in the future according to the bible. Whether you interpret it as a future on the earth or in heaven is irrelevent, because according to paul there are no more prophets to tell us what the prophecies mean. But we don't need to know that anyway, we were directed to keep on the watch by Jesus as a secondary thing; the primary commandment of Christ being love. The whole point is to be loving, be modest, be faithul and have hope. Do not argue, do not debate, do not divide, do not do the very things religion does today. Nobody focuses on, "the sort of person they ought to be" when that's the only thing that matters for us.

Regardless of what the future will be, when the end of NOW arrives and you tell Jesus, "Look! I god this right, and that right, I was wrong here and here, but i guessed so many things accurately and I spent so much time figuring out the past..." what is he going to say to that person? He's going to say, "See I was hungry and you did not feed me, see I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, see i was naked and you did not clothe me." Regardless of what you think might happen, or what you think happened, if you focus on the sort of person you ought to be and follow the commandment of Christ that's all that matters. "To obey is better than a sacrifice." (1 Samuel 15:22)

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Jehovah deceives us

by opusdei1972 in

paul said that god does not lie:.

in the hope of eternal life, which god, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time (titus 1:2).

however, jehovah god deceived his people:.

Moses Joe

I feel I have to disagree with this point. The fact is that in the Bible God does not lie on any occasion. The situation in Jeremiah is no such occasion because the nation of Israel had long ago agreed to a covenant with God which they were habitually breaking. In that same chapter God, as he does many times in Jermiah, pleads for them to return to him and to stop doing the things they do; but, they do not. He did not decieve them at any point really, he laid down what he expected and they broke it, he simply followed through with his promise. It may be that Jeremiah was saying that even though things seem fine, in reality destruction was at their door, because God was seeing what they were doing all along - it hadn't gone ignored though it may seem so. The sword to the throat comment is an expression, demonstrating the reality of the danger they were in with their blatent behavior.

As to the prophet being fooled, it isn't because God lied to him it's because God fooled him. God caused his falsehood to become apparent. That does not mean he lied, it means someone claimed to be a prophet and said, "such and such will happen" and God made sure it didn't - thus he was fooled. To be fooled does not necessarily mean tricked, it can mean "Made a fool of" and was it's original meaning. Any indication that it means trickery or deception is a recent developement in language compared to the age of scripture.

As for the decieving spirit, it actually means something different from lying. What it means is that their counsel always proved worthless. These advisers were the kind of people who said, "We should do this because of this." They were supposed to be wise and give good advice as to what action to take in any given circumstance. The decieving spirit means, rather than that they lied, that their counsel always proved faulty. It'd be like if you had a stock broker who advised you to invest into a company that went belly up - he didn't lie to you, he gave you bad advice.

I agree and believe the GB and JW can't be in any way the truth - but I still believe the Bible. In my opinion it'd be a mistake to direct any anger or resentment at God just because of people who come and say, "I am the Christ!' or 'Here he is!'" We were warned those people would come by Jesus himself in the gospels and he said, in no uncertain terms, "Do not follow them."